I had previously approached my friend Tino, from the church in Austin, with an appreciation for the ecumenical interpretation of ~/john/17/21 {That they all may be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us; that the world may believe that You have sent Me. https://text.recoveryversion.bible/43_John_17.htm} ~/john/17/21/unity {The proof that that the world needs in order to believe in Christ is the unity of its members, the overcoming of divisions, the production of agreement and allegiance of all disciples.} Reminds me of 1 Corinthians, where Paul's first concern is that of division. He explained his perspective, which i'll summarize here. ~/john/17/21/nature {The substance that the believer is made of changes, through their faith journey, to be one with the substance that makes up both god and christ. Like if god was stone, and nonbeliever is wood, then becoming a believer is the process of wood becoming petrified, streams of water washing away the substance of wood and replacing it with mineral, the same substance as god.} {According to Tino, this is a stronger interpretation because verse 11 also repeats the same: "that they may be one even as We are" where We = Father/Son = God/Jesus. And, oneness of nature with christ is convincing to the masses by personal testimony: seeing somebody be one with god causes someone to be compelled by their passion. And, human minds can change on a dime. Nature is more immutable. } ~/john/17/21/nature 3:1 ~/john/17/21/unity This is my approximation from memory of his position. I'm still thinking about what my position is. But if you have anything to add, another interpretation, or a vote, feel free to add it! If you have any questions about the syntax or mechanics, feel free to ask in the thread or contact me directly.