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The substance that the believer is made of changes, through their faith journey, to be one with the substance that makes up both god and christ. Like if god was stone, and nonbeliever is wood, then becoming a believer is the process of wood becoming petrified, streams of water washing away the substance of wood and replacing it with mineral, the same substance as god.
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#1 of 2 · 68d4h48m40s ago — entered · #christian-theology-disagreements post #1
According to Tino, this is a stronger interpretation because verse 11 also repeats the same: "that they may be one even as We are" where We = Father/Son = God/Jesus. And, oneness of nature with christ is convincing to the masses by personal testimony: seeing somebody be one with god causes someone to be compelled by their passion. And, human minds can change on a dime. Nature is more immutable.
#2 of 3 ↓1 · 13d14h39m0s ago — current · #christian-theology-disagreements post #4
Both descriptions access a sufficient understanding of the same concept being described in the verse. Theosis simply presents a more thorough and careful examination of the verse in context of other Christian dogmas.
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