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#0 · 20d14h13m0s ago
Lord knows there are plenty. This thread is meant for people who think it's fun to be precise about them. 

The garden under consideration in this thread is aiming to stay focused on the ~/<book>/<chapter>/<verse> {
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The translation that owns the verse item is whoever gets there first (for now... (contributions welcome!, check the src in the bottom right)). Interpretations can be subitems. As I will demonstrate in the post below. 

To enter the garden, click one of the blue links for a ~/john/1/1  The light mode is the garden. In the garden everything is ordered by votes. In the dark mode, everything is ordered by time of posting. 
#1 · 20d13h29m4s ago
I had previously approached my friend Tino, from the church in Austin, with an appreciation for the ecumenical interpretation of

~/john/17/21 {That they all may be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us; that the world may believe that You have sent Me.
https://text.recoveryversion.bible/43_John_17.htm}

~/john/17/21/unity {The proof that that the world needs in order to believe in Christ is the unity of its members, the overcoming of divisions, the production of agreement and allegiance of all disciples.}

Reminds me of 1 Corinthians, where Paul's first concern is that of division. 

He explained his perspective, which i'll summarize here. 

~/john/17/21/nature {The substance that the believer is made of changes, through their faith journey, to be one with the substance that makes up both god and christ. Like if god was stone, and nonbeliever is wood, then becoming a believer is the process of wood becoming petrified, streams of water washing away the substance of wood and replacing it with mineral, the same substance as god.}

{According to Tino, this is a stronger interpretation because verse 11 also repeats the same: "that they may be one even as We are" where We = Father/Son = God/Jesus. And, oneness of nature with christ is convincing to the masses by personal testimony: seeing somebody be one with god causes someone to be compelled by their passion.

And, human minds can change on a dime. Nature is more immutable. } ~/john/17/21/nature 3:1 ~/john/17/21/unity

This is my approximation from memory of his position. I'm still thinking about what my position is. But if you have anything to add, another interpretation, or a vote, feel free to add it!

If you have any questions about the syntax or mechanics, feel free to ask in the thread or contact me directly.
#2 · 11d1h37m14s ago
~/john/17/21/theosis {The unity shared by believers and God is not just nominally described in this verse. Rather it emphasizes a real union that is much greater than one might initially consider. On the surface, Christ is praying for the unity of believers here on Earth, but we may root this in the concept of theosis/divinization. This is, our process towards sanctification in God. Theosis is tied directly to our adoption as children of God, so that we may participate in the divine nature. This does not describe a substantial change or an altering of natures. Rather a participation in the attributes of the divine life of Christ. Insofar as we understand that we do not possess the divine nature by essence or by a new divine substance. Rather we participate in the divine nature by sharing in Christ's sonship, holiness, and Communion with the Trinity. An analogy of iron in a fire is typically used to understand what this participation may look like. Imagine a chunk of iron placed in a red hot fire, the iron may adopt the properties of the fire such as being red hot, producing light, and giving off heat and in this way the iron is fire or fire-like, participating in the properties of the fire here. However it is still substantially iron as our substance remains throughout divinization.}
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